Meghan says she understood 'what it's like to be treated like a black woman' when she started dating Harry

The second episode of the Duchess of Sussex’s Archetypes podcast has been released on Spotify


Titled The Duality Of Diva With Mariah Carey, Meghan talks with the pop superstar about the “complexities surrounding the ‘diva'” and the negative connotations associated with the word.

Carey tells Meghan: “I’m MC, you can call me Mimi, you can call me Mariah, whatever you want.”

The Duchess begins episode two of the podcast series by asking the name of Carey’s dogs – Cha Cha and Muttley P Gore Jackson.

Carey tells Meghan about her childhood, saying: “I didn’t fit in, it would be more of the black area of town, or then you could be where my mom chose to live, where the more white neighbourhoods and I didn’t fit in anywhere at all.”

Meghan Markle and Mariah Carey
Meghan Markle and Mariah Carey

Meghan replies: “Yeah. I understand that.”

Carey describes how she was teased by a boy at school for having only three shirts and wearing them on rotation, adding: “It was true.”

The singer adds: “In a world where you’re the mixed kid of a full-on white neighbourhood that’s what you get.”

The Duchess replies: “This is part of why when I was putting this conversation together I had to talk to you.

"Of course I had to talk to you. You were so formative for me. Representation matters so much.”

She adds that when Carey first came on the music scene she thought: “Oh my gosh. Someone who looks like me.”

Meghan says: “I mean if there’s any time in my life that it’s been more focused on my race, it’s only once I started dating my husband.

“Then I started to understand what it was like to be treated like a black woman, because up until then I had been treated like a mixed woman and things really shifted.”

Meghan Markle and Prince Harry
Meghan Markle and Prince Harry

Carey adds: “But that’s an interesting thing, a mixed woman, because I always thought it should be OK to say I’m mixed, like it should be OK to say that, but people want you to choose.”

It comes a week after Meghan launched her new podcast series, in conversation with Serena Williams.

And this week, in conversation with US magazine The Cut, Meghan opened up about her relationship with Prince Harry in arguably her most frank and expansive interview yet.